In every relationship with someone I deeply love–parents, siblings, roommates, friends–I have hurt them or they have hurt me. When humans enter into close relationships, we hurt one another. One of the people who has hurt me the most in my life is a Church leader I have never met.
In my early 20s when I was deep in the closet and trying so hard to change my orientation, I came across some things this Church leader had said about same-sex attraction. As I read through these statements I thought, I’d be better off dead than gay. His words were intended to give comfort, but instead created feelings of despair. Years later I was listening to one of his General Conference talks and thought, I don’t belong in this Church. A handful of his words led me to wish for death and another handful led to me feeling excluded. I know this was not his intent, but this was the effect for me.
A few years later while listening to another person talk about this Church leader I felt a sudden and unexpected peace wash over me. I felt a clarity that his calling was divinely appointed and that he was striving to follow the Savior’s example. And yet even after this experience, I still tensed up every time I watched him approach a pulpit.
A few years ago a friend mentioned that he had just purchased this leader’s biography. I had just finished teaching a class at BYU where we regularly discussed the importance of proximity, getting close to people who are different, and hearing others’ stories. So I bought a copy of the biography even though it was a hardback and a little pricey. As I read, I saw a lot of myself in this man who had hurt me. I thought that we would actually be great friends if we knew each other in real life.
About a third of the way into the book I felt a prompting to listen to every General Conference talk he’d ever given. I opened up the Gospel Library app and determined to listen to each talk in order. The next day I was doing yard work as I listened to the first talk he gave. As I heard him speak, I felt the Spirit heal parts of me that had been damaged. I yanked weeds out of the garden and felt weeds pulled out of my own heart as well. That night I prayed, “Thank you, Heavenly Father, for the words and teachings of this leader. They are inviting me to be better”
As I kept reading his biography and listening to his talks, I came across the words he said that had hurt me in the past. And they still hurt. But now they were contextualized in his entire life because I’d taken the time to get to know him. The pain was still there, but my understanding was greater.
In the middle of these weeks I spent immersed in his life and words, I was asked to speak at a two day YSA conference that he would also be speaking at. The organizer told me I’d be seated on the stand and would get to meet him. I asked if it would be appropriate to give him a copy of my book. “Absolutely!” he said. Now that I had spent so much time getting to know him, I was pumped for him to get to know me. I signed a copy of my book and wrote a thank you note for him on the inside cover.
And then the conference schedule shifted, plans changed, and I spoke the day before he did. I knew I wouldn’t be sitting on the stand with him anymore, but I brought the book anyway hoping I’d be able to give it to him. That opportunity never materialized and I returned home with an undelivered, signed copy of my book. However, the moment I remember from that day was watching him and his wife walk into the room. As we all stood to greet them, the first thought that came into my mind was, I love you. How could I not love someone I had just spent so much time with?
I understand that there are many Church members who live in a world where it’s impossible for an apostle to cause hurt. Any perceived hurt I have felt, they say, is my own fault. And others assert that he has caused so much hurt that he can’t be a mouthpiece for God. I am not in either camp. I both believe he is called of God and I have been hurt by him.
I realize that my writing about a Church leader causing hurt could bring up old pains or cause new ones. I know that my continued participation in the church causes people pain, too. And I’m truly sorry for any pain my actions cause.
I also know that by expressing that an Church leader has hurt me that some will think I’m a danger to the Church. If that is true for you, you might consider taking some time to immerse yourself in my work and then see how you feel about me.
I don’t expect to change anyone’s mind about any public figures. I can’t do that in a short post. But I do want to say that really getting to know this man changed my mind. Spending time learning about his life and teachings did not erase the hurt and pain he caused me. It didn’t change the way his words have been unfairly weaponized against me. And it didn’t undo the years that I wished I could die. But it did lead me to love him.
I heard this quote a while back and it super resonates with me: “There isn't a person you wouldn't love if you could read their whole story.” Whose story do you need to hear?
Thank you Ben for everything you do for us. This article touched my heart in a way I did not know I needed. I feel a peace in my soul that I didn’t know was missing. I’m grateful for our church leaders that try so hard to show us Heavenly Father’s teachings.
ReplyDeleteWow! Beautiful words! Thank you for sharing
ReplyDeleteThank you! I so needed to hear this message.
ReplyDeleteBen thank you for another spectacular post. You said it just right. I have known you longer than anybody else and can witness that you were born great. Go Go Go!
ReplyDeleteLoads and loads of grace here, Ben. Thank you for teaching so beautifully by example and precept.
ReplyDeleteOh man! Ben! Thank you for sharing how you found peace in such a tricky spot! What a great pattern to follow when we need to find more understanding and more peace ❤️❤️ thank you!!
ReplyDeleteThank you for sharing this!
ReplyDeleteBen, your powerful humility touches me every time I read your words. Thank you for your example and this profound discussion of what it means to actually love those who have harmed us, intentionally or not. That commandment is not abstract or metaphorical… it’s the hardest commandment I’ve ever tried to live. It is the work of a lifetime, and here you have given us insight and actual tools to figure that process out for ourselves.
ReplyDeleteThere’s a song by Stephen Schwartz called Forgiveness’s Embrace. It has been a healing message for me for nearly 20 years now. One of the choruses says, “There’s a way to rise above, if I look at them with love, though I don’t deny that harm has taken place. I can make my peace at last with the pieces of my past, and enfold them in forgiveness’s embrace.”
This post is a practical application of the song’s sentiment. Thank you.
Powerful, helpful, instructive insights. Beautiful! Thank you!
ReplyDeleteThis is so powerful Ben. I think Brene Brown said, "It's hard to hate someone up close" which is the same point you're making here, I think. It's so important that we get to know the people in our lives, or the people we may not know we need in our lives.
ReplyDeleteAs always, thanks for this. I have had similar feelings about possibly the same leader. Maybe I will get his biography and see if it helps me overcome my feelings.
ReplyDeleteAbsolute truth. Understanding comes easy with familiarity. I'm a voracious consumer of biographies for this reason. Every person's story gives me a new perspective, refracting the light of truth into a prism of different colors and ideas. I believe this Christ's super power: He loves us because he truly knows our story.
ReplyDeleteYou’re a good man, Ben Schilaty!! If only we all had hearts like yours. Your words make me want to try harder. Thank you!!❤️
ReplyDeleteThis was incredible to read! It made my heart so happy and I realized that there are some people I should get to know better! Thank you for so beautifully expressing this experience and for sharing it. You are truly an incredible man!
ReplyDeleteBeautiful insight and wisdom.
ReplyDeleteThis beautifully written piece really touched my heart. Not just because it's so relatable to me (and I'm sure to so many others) but also because I was inspired that you did the hard work of getting to know someone who hurt you deeply.. then you came to understand them better, and eventually even came to love them! It's an incredibly inspiring example of Christlike love, and I'm very grateful to you for sharing. 🙏
ReplyDeleteI love the example you set of how receiving personal revelation happens slowly over time by being led, sometimes without realizing it, to doing things that lead to further light and knowledge to help us on topics in our heart. I have been pondering how to make sense of apostles that teach things I don't agree with and while listening to a podcast today the guest said about Paul, we don't have to like everything he said to agree he was an apostle. I thought, duh! Of course! And yet dissonance is still hard, hard, hard in the church. I look to pioneers who saw with an eye of faith, those things that they were promised before "we" understood them.
ReplyDeleteLove this article and love you. Your humility in this urges me to consider my ways, thoughts, and feelings towards others so I can experience healing. Thank you!
ReplyDeleteLoved your post...wise words from someone who has the credibility and experience and "right" to lash back at those who have offended you, whether that was on purpose or not. Thank you for your example! 🙃🤙🏾😊
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ReplyDeleteWhat a great topic for a post. Thank you so much for sharing your experiences with us. I love the way you articulate your inspired insights.❤️
ReplyDeleteWhat an amazing, Christlike man you are, Ben. I have learned so much from you. Thank you for your wisdom, humility, and example!
ReplyDeleteThis was wonderful to read. I think you are truly one of the most Christlike people out there and I have only ever met you once while passing by you in a car and introducing myself briefly. Thank you so much for all of the wonderful work you do, but mostly just for being you and sharing yourself with us. ❤️
ReplyDeleteSo healing for me. ❤️
ReplyDeleteThis is so powerful. Such an important message!
ReplyDeleteThank you for another well needed lesson. I am truly sorry for your hurt and pain. Your vulnerability is valuable to many, and I am grateful for all that you share. I hope that you always remember that the world is better with you in it. You are a choice human, and I wanna be your adopted granny. 💜
ReplyDeleteI was just talking with someone earlier today about how difficult it is to hold the paradox of genuinely good and loving people causing harm to us. It would be so much easier if there was a rule that only 100% bad, evil people can hurt us, and that, conversely, we could identify 100% bad, evil people by the fact that they've caused harm. It gets so complicated when we begin to realize that some of our most painful core beliefs are the result of our own brains making a messy story around the well-intentioned words and actions of people who actually do love us, and it's devastating when we realize that we've caused such stories to be written in the heads of people we love! Something I find important to this particular story is the fact that the man in question has no idea about any of this, and the reason I think it's important is that it illustrates so clearly that this offering of a softened heart, forgiveness, love, and grace towards someone who has caused harm isn't about them. It's about the injured party's ability to find true healing and soul-deep peace. Unless you finally meet that apostle, give him your book, and tell him this story, he will never know he hurt you or that you spent so much time working to know him in order to love him, but you - and now we - will always know the miracle that has taken place. Thank you for sharing something so tender with a bunch of strangers. ❤️
ReplyDeleteThis is so beautiful and brought tears to my eyes as I remembered an experience about you! A few years ago you spoke at a Regional leadership conference at the Alpine Tabernacle on how we ad leaders can better love and include our LGBTQ members. Your words were so powerful and I felt the Spirit whisper these words to me, “Listen up, you’re going to need this for the future”. About 8 months later, my son told us that he is gay. Your words had penetrated my heart deeply and helped me through a difficult time. I felt that through your words that night, I came to know you better and you in turn helped prepare me to know my son better! Thank you!
ReplyDeleteI have such a testimony of being able to love people up close. Thank you for sharing your beautiful thoughts. You make the world a better place.
ReplyDeleteI love your heart Ben! What a beautiful lesson, and what a beautiful example you are to all of us. Your words and actions touch my heart. I haven’t had the privilege of meeting you yet, but reading your book and your posts and blog, and listening to yours and Charlie’s podcast has made me love you and see you as a friend and mentor. Thank you for all you do! ❤️
ReplyDeleteThanks for sharing, Ben. However, can you explain how this is not Stockholm Syndrome?
ReplyDeleteAlso, when you listened to the Spirit to read all the said leaders’ talks, why not also listen to all of your feelings of dread and despair? Aren’t these feelings valid as well?
I’m worried. Those who are suicidal and struggling right now should not be encouraged to love an individual that is inspiring the harm. How would you encourage an individual who is suicidal right now - to establish safety and security? This message - in the wrong mental state - is dangerous.
ReplyDeleteI love what Ben shares in this post, and I really appreciate your point about how this perspective could add to the burden that someone is carrying if they are in an unsafe space. It is this reality that makes it so important for us to let people know, in meaningful ways that they matter to us, that we are willing to listen to them with understanding and love, and that nothing they could share would make us turn away from them. It also reminds me of how important it is for us to keep let our leaders know that their words matter. Their words can have such heavy consequences in the lives of the most vulnerable.
DeleteBen, your voice is one of the most important to me right now. You smooth out rough patches and open up the tight spaces in my heart.
ReplyDeleteSuch beautiful, valuable words here, both in the post and in the comments. Thank you all for helping us be real and still allow space to grow and learn and love.
ReplyDeleteI don't know which Church leader you reference, and that is unimportant. What *IS* important is that I have my own complex relationship with a particular Church leader and harmful words against the Queer community. I think your blog post coming on the heels of another thought I had today about this particular leader is an invitation to read his biography. I pray that I will be humble enough to learn what God wants me to know about the leader so I, too, can be filled with compassion and love.
ReplyDeleteThank you, Ben.
Thank you so much for this post Ben.
ReplyDeleteLoved this
ReplyDeleteThis is so good. Thank you!
ReplyDeleteBeautiful words and thoughts from a man loved and admired by many♥️
ReplyDeleteBeautiful words, beautiful thoughts, from a man loved and admired by many♥️
ReplyDeleteWow! Your wisdom and insight is profound! Thank you for being you!
ReplyDeleteThank you for this post ❤️
ReplyDeleteI love you Ben! Also, you’ve never hurt me! :)
ReplyDeleteWhat a light you are. So, so grateful for you Ben.
ReplyDeleteHere I am. Crying. Feeling all the pain and the peace. Thank you for your words. Thank you for sharing pieces of yourself.
ReplyDeleteMy feelings and understanding are in your same camp! Way to be ever so wildly good, heart and soul!
ReplyDeleteSuch a beautiful message. You are an amazing person, and it's no wonder that you are such a powerful influence on all of us. You are truly following Jesus. Thank you so much for your powerful message.
ReplyDeleteA friend sent me this post of yours and I am excited to follow you now. I have heard your podcast and have loved it. I know that when I spend time with you, my mind is opened my heart is opened and I become more compassionate. I don’t always agree with you and that’s OK because relationships are not based just on agreement. I love relationships where I am expanded as a person that is one of the things I love about you and the way you express yourself and the work that you do in and outside of the church. Thank you for your testimony and who you are.
ReplyDeleteI respect your journey. I’ll never understand it. These leaders you have grown to love have convinced me there is not a god.
ReplyDeleteLove this! This is a practical guide on how to be a peacemaker and multiplier and how to be a generally happy person!
ReplyDeleteThank you for this beautiful message ❤️
ReplyDeleteYou underestimate how one post can make a difference. I still had hard feelings towards a leader that handled something horribly. And this morning I read your post and instantly, and peacefully got the piece I was missing to finally let it go. So thank you for having the courage to write this. It’s made a difference.
ReplyDeleteThank you for sharing this story. It was such a good reminder to me that taking the time to get to know someone really, really matters.
ReplyDelete#wisdom. xo
ReplyDeleteWow! You’re such an awesome example.
ReplyDeleteBen, I'm nearly finished reading your book. I can't believe how much I have felt the spirit while hearing your words and perspective. Thank you so much for sharing! It's been such a good experience for me to hear your story.
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